| Len's cousin
A border incident
But it happened one day, you know... You know what it happened once. One of our guys was taking — that was in a park [?] — he took him by ship, by boat, by train, every way we could. Only by plane we didn't. There was no planes. Otherwise, any way we could, we shipped them. A truckful of people, full of people was supposed to cross the border, and a guard all of a sudden changed, a Russian guard. And he shot the guard. Because we always carried arms with us, and he told the guard he wants to go through, you know, and he wouldn't let him. He says he has to check, and has he got papers. Of course he was a guard that all of a sudden changed. And that guy got excited, and didn't know what to do. And he shot the Russian guard.
Now in Russia, there is a law, that whether you are guilty or not, there has to be a guilty party to anything that happens, which is against their [word inaudible]. So they took a driver from another car that was going, another, and arrested him as the man who killed their guard. And he disappeared, and we couldn't find out where he...
Len: And it was another one of your drivers.
M: Yes, another driver of ours, came, and they arrested him, and as a matter of fact, they really had access up to General [pauses] was it Vashilevsky or not, no... Can't remember the name. There was a Russian general, you know. He was in charge of the whole area. And we had access right up to him. And he asked his help in — as a matter of fact, we told him, really, what happened. That there was another guy what done it.
And he's a real [word inaudible] man, and he literally disappeared. We were told that he was in Minsk somewhere in a jail, and another day we were told something else, but we couldn't get him out. And up to this day, I don't think we ever found out who [?] he was. I knew his wife, and she was married to [word inaudible].
You see, in our kibbutz, we had, like, two sections. One section was for young people and one section was for married people. You see, the section for young people was called kibbutz, and theirs was called HaPoel [the worker]. And on his [inaudible], because these are our people like tradesmen already. They were called HaPoel Tsioni [Workers of Zion]. And the wife was there, and she used to tell all kinds of stories.
And no way could we find out where he was, with all our pull, our bribery, and everything, because you could do everything you want, but don't put your foot on their toe. Because, with them, there's no scruples, there's no morals. When they have to do something, nothing is in their way. You see, Lenin said that the end justifies the means. That means you really could do anything you want. And they did everything they wanted. To them, what they had to do that means absolutely... And that's what I told you with Israel, it's the same thing.
And at the same time, when they are now doing everything they could to disrupt the Israeli state, tomorrow they might do exactly the opposite, and they will have no qualms about it. It won't bother them at all.
Len: Yes, they rewrite history.
M: All the rights about Arabs and stuff, you know, if they decide that there's a place for Israel in the Middle East, and if it's in their power, all of a sudden the rights of the Arabs don't mean a thing. So, whatever they have to do, they do, and that's all there is to it.
Sometimes, I wish the Americans would do it in certain places. The same way, you know, and worry about it later. The trouble is, we don't do it. |
